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Monday, February 26. 2007Cabbie Runs Down Students in Tennessee, Part IITrackbacks
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With a name like that, I bet he was Amish. It was probably a horse-drawn taxi...
It's tough to say about religion. Lets examine the clues.
Swarthy middle eastern Big Hitler fan A stolen licence plate named Ibrahim Sheikh Ahmed I'm stumped
When Bob Redford as Jeremiah Johnson comes across Delgue buried up to his neck in the sand he asks, "You doin' all right?" "Oh yes, I've got a fine horse under me!" Johnson, "Indians do this?" Delgue, "Twern't Mormons!"
Look, I was a journalist for a while, and you learn pretty quickly that you shouldn't assume anything, especially about something like religion. If Ahmed made no reference to his religion in the police reports or to the victims, unless they spoke with Ahmed, which seems not to be the case, they can't just call him a muslim. There are anti-semetic atheists out there, for instance -- some of them even come from the Middle East.
True!
Personally, I think this is a combination of Mr. Miller's point in the 5th comment (police couldn't get Ahmed to state a religious preference) and a rare display of subtle journalistic humor.
I mean, I snorted when I read the "religion was not known" line... On a more serious note, I'm sure they asked the two guys who were run down their religions because it would be relevant to "hate crime" laws. Which pretty much shows how stupid hate crime laws are in general. Atheist, Christian, Hindu, Moslem, whatever, some dude tried to kill them with his car. The dude should be locked up the rest of his unnatural life one way or the other.
Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity. After all, we're talking about journalists.
"If Ahmed made no reference to his religion in the police reports or to the victims, unless they spoke with Ahmed, which seems not to be the case, they can't just call him a muslim. "
Quite right. It would not have been right to assume the guy's religion (no matter how 'obvious' we believe it to be), and it's not right to assume anything about the intent of the reporter, either. It's such assumptions - and this post - that qualify as "stupid", Instalink or not. (I swear, sometimes Reynolds posts so fast he doesn't pause to THINK about what he's doing.) Reporters do plenty wrong that they can be called on. Creating issues out of whole cloth, though, is merely self-aggrandisement that merely hurts legitimate complaints.
If this just happened yesterday, I might agree with you, but the story is a week old.
If Ibrahim Sheikh Ahmed wouldn't tell the cops his religion, there are other ways for the reporter to find out. The Tennessean clearly had the time, but decided not to devote the energy to finding out. Again, they had one week to find out what might be pertinent information -- after all, it started as a religious dispute, and they were able to identify the religion of the two victims. Come on...
I am willing to speculate that, had there been reason to believe Mr. Ahmed was a fundamentalist Christian, the non-assuming journalists would have busied themselves with digging up information about where he attended church and what the pastor had to say of a Sunday morning.
If you don't ask, you don't have to upset anyone by telling.
I would have to give the reporter the benefit of the doubt here.
Clearly, the reporter asked the Police spokesman which religion the cabbie claimed and the Police spokesman reported that it was not known. This is a victory, folks. The reporter asked the question. Of course, we all know what the answer is. His religion is Islam - the Religion Of Driving Over People You Disagree With If You Can't Behead Them Without Being Deported. But the newspaper needs someone else to say it out loud before they can print it.
Of course, anonymouse and others are right, the newspaper can not publish anything about Mr. Ahmed's religion without knowing for sure what it is.
But there seems to be a singular lack of diligence getting at that interesting information.
To Person of choler:
Actually, the newspaper could speculate all day long about his religion if they so chose. It's a free country. For example, They could write the paragraph this way: "Police refused to say whether the cabbie was a Muslim." or "Asked whether the cabbie was a Muslim, the police had no comment." or "Asked whether the cabbie was a Muslim, police said they didn't know." or "Asked whether this was yet another example of Muslim terrorism within the borders of the United States, police refused to speculate." There are many ways to write that paragraph that are completely acceptable. It all depends on the politics of the newspaper.
It may be that the paper shouldn't have speculated on Ahmed's religion, but is it even possible that the police -- who were the ones who disclaimed knowledge -- didn't know it? Let's see -- two Christians report they were assaulted by a guy who argued with them about religion. Do you think Ahmed might have given some hints about his religion during the argument? H-m-m-m.
Probably because they were able to confirm the religion with the Lutheran and the Catholic, but not with the cab driver. Stating he was Muslim would have drawn criticism because they didn't confirm it with him.
On the other hand - maybe the reporters have families and don't want a visit from the local Muslim hit squad for insulting Muslim theology. Fear is a great motivator...as has been the case in foreign "Free" countries like Holland, Denmark, England, etc.
Sadly, we now have to live in fear in our own country...how like the Middle East is that? This is truly a case of: "If I don't ask (make myself noticeable) then they won't come after me." Since many see nothing wrong with this type of behavior "obviously it is not racial or religious hatred since we can't prove he was Muslim" we will continue this sham until the inevitable happens. Or, the thought that since he is from a minority he can say anything, do anything, since he was the one being persecuted by the majority. Either there will be enormous backlash (vigilantism) or "submission" - isn't that what the word Islam means - and we will all be fored to become Moslem or slaves. (Those who are pure will be allowed to become Moslems, that is, which in Moslem theology and theocracy means get rid of all who disagree - and to cleanse the gays, the feminists, the leftists - who do not believe in god at all, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, heretic Moslems, etc.) Allowing such behavior to stand and not be prosecuted by the rule of law, is tantamount to officially sanctioning a specific religion, which means the Constitution is "Dead". No freedoms or rights will be respected after that.
Gee, this is obvious. Most news stories have the religion of those involved in the stories, right? Like: "George Smith, a southern Baptist, was wounded in a hold up last night at the 7-11. The assailant, a recently converted Lutheran, was caught moments later by Officer Jones, a lapsed Roman Catholic." Right. We have the religion of the assailed but not the religion of the assailant.
"Gee, this is obvious. Most news stories have the religion of those involved in the stories, right?"
They do when the crime is about a dispute over religion.
Tom Elia, as everyone knows, is a fundamentalist pedophile snake-handler. But I betcha The Tennessean won't print that, either, what with their notorious bias against unconfirmed supposition.
FWIW, the reporters there should be making more of an effort to determine the guy's religion. It's an important part of the story.
You forgot to mention my well-known predilections for cannibalism, ritual sacrifice, and hitting the cut-off man...
Those who commented that the police either didn't know or wouldn't comment of Mr. Ahmed's religion are probably right. However, since when has the hallmark of quality journalism been dutifully reporting whatever the local authority figures tell you? Considering that the assumed motive for the crime was a religious conversation, the beliefs of all involved parties is paramount to understanding the story. If the police could not or would not provide the information, how else could a reporter have found out the missing piece?
- talk to his coworkers - ask the victims for specifics about the conversation - call local mosques - ask the accused's lawyer There is no indication that any of these simple actions was ever tried. The real question is why not. I can think of two big reasons for this. It is standard among many news sources to exclude the race of minority suspects. This practice originated from the premise that repeated focus on minority suspects unfairly cast all form the group in a negative light. Too often, though, I think the omission is so glaring and obvious that it has the oposite effect (i.e. if they don't say "white" assume the bad guy is "black"). There may be a similar intentional desire not to know in this case for the same reason. As discussion here indicates, though, this would seem to produce similar results as well. The other possibility is that the reporters and editors don't think this story is important enough to spend the time to follow up and investigate. They, too, realize the accused is most likely Muslim, but don't see this event as symtomatic or indicative in any significant larger context. This would be consistent with the denial wing of American liberalism, which believes that 9/11 was a single isolated event unconnected to the larger issues in Islam and that "terrorism" is a police matter. |
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