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Poll Checker: 2012 Battleground States and Leaners
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"... five freedoms granted by the nation's founders."
Hrmm, sounds like they aren't the only ones who need another course in civics. They aren't "granted", they're agknowledged. The schools are in far worse shape than most people realize.
In addition to that--
1. How does the teacher think real estate appreciation is "endentured servitude"? I can only guess he has no idea what the term means. 2. With all due respect to the AP pollsters, the First Amendment protects six, not five, rights. Freedom of speech, of press, of religion, from establishment of religion, assembly and petition. They forgot that there are two religion clauses.
Tom, according to your summary of the article, only those CPS grads who go to the city colleges need the remedial. Presumably the ones that don't go to better schools.. Not that I'm defending CPS, mind you. My friend taught in a CPS school where the "Literacy Specialist" regularly put up hallways displays and sent out memos with grammatical and spelling errors.
You make a good point, but my goodness, aren't those percentages crazy?
Just think of all those potentially great brains getting the short end of the stick! It makes me crazy.
One, according to a recent AP report, a survey conducted by the ACT college testing service found that "only 51 percent of students showed they were ready to handle the reading requirements of a typical first-year college course."
A large fraction of the population residing in the US may simply not be college material. This might still be the case even if K-12 schools were better. It's hard to make great scholars out of IQ 85's. Only 51 percent ready for college? What a coincidence: only half the population has an IQ greater than 100.
Those figures are taken from those kids who took the ACT. I can only assume they are the ones that want to go to college.
How many kids graduate from high school every year? I would assume that that number is much larger than 1.2 million.
There are probably just as many students that should go to college that don't. These numbers are meaningless when you don't have the whole picture. You can't run around testing everyone after high school.
I'm with David. Not everyone is college material. Part of the problem is that we tell them they are and push them to go. When you are in high school and all you hear is "college, college, college" then you probably think you should go. Even if you shouldn't. Thus, we end up with these (seemingly) dismal statistics. We need to stop thinking that everyone should go to college. That's crap. We need to start encouraging some of those onto other post-high school paths that would be more beneficial to them in the long run rather than pushing them toward what may ultimately be failure. Not everyone can or should be a doctor or lawyer.
Maureen said,
"We need to start encouraging some of those onto other post-high school paths that would be more beneficial to them in the long run rather than pushing them toward what may ultimately be failure." Such as? I certainly can't think of any good jobs you can get that don't require at least some college. Employers are just as guilty of this as parents/schools. Because they want less applicants for jobs, they REQUIRE college degrees. My brother needed an associates degree just to become a firefighter. Most police departments now require some college coursework. 50 years ago, you didn't need a degree to become an accountant. Now, you need a 4 year degree, and most states won't let you take the CPA exam without having passed certain post-graduate courses. Kids all think they have to go to college because they don't want to work in fast food joints all their lives. At least, that's what they've been told. TV (Harry)
>>I certainly can't think of any good jobs you can get that don't require at least some college.>>
Hired an electrician or a plumber lately? a mechanic from a certified shop? In my area, any licensed electrician charges $65 per hour. One company we work with started 2.5 years ago, has 8 employees and is booked 2-3 months ahead.
Searching for information on the CPA exam and Google brought your post up.
The answer to my question on education eludes me. The scenario is--someone takes the exam in Colorado and returns to Florida, finds out they have passed all four sections. How long do they have to complete the educational requirements in Florida? A relatively innocuous question but the answer to it is elusive. If anyone KNOWS the answer and can provide a reliable answer along with citations, that would be greatly appreciated. JTS
I wrote about this earlier, after NPR botched their report. It's in your hands. You have to unmask the charlatans and laugh them small. You have to make education work, one parent at a time and one student at a time. See: Saving public education.
Saving public education URL is http://blogs.rny.com/sbw/stories/storyReader$454
Let me suggest that much of the decline is attributable to the breakdown of the nuclear family; it's hard to get the data analyzed in that way (it's usually by race and income), but kids from 2-parent homes fare far better than those from single-parent homes. I've often said our Connecticut Mastery Scores should be called the Connecticut Monogamy scores.
In SC there is a school principal who signs his letters as Principle . As my 6th grade science teacher said to me, "if you want to be a scientist, you better learn how to spell scientist."
"Those figures are taken from those kids who took the ACT. I can only assume they are the ones that want to go to college."
WANTING and HAVING THE ABILITY are not the same thing. Taking the ACT proves nothing about the test taker's innate ability. Perhaps too many teenagers are frustrated because they are bombarded with the notion that they ought to go to college, when they are not really college material. Here's another thought: People worry a lot about the quality of education less gifted American K-12 students are getting -- the left half of the IQ bell curve. Maybe we ought to focus instead on the education the other end of the IQ distribution is getting. Perhaps, maybe, possibly less gifted students would benefit from a non-college track high school education. Perhaps and maybe, subjecting all students to a college track educational program inevitably leaves the less gifted students behind -- and this disparity would only increase if K-112 schooling in the US were improved.
This really isn't surprising. Students are being indoctrinated, not educated. But of course, how else would we wind up with such an abundance of moonbat idiots?
Our nation's education system?
Education is a State's responsibility, thus we have a conglomeration of State systems and no national system.
"Education is a State's responsibility, thus we have a conglomeration of State systems and no national system."
How would a national system improve things?
My favorite -- the PBS special on Louisiana, where a LA public official bemoans the awful fact that a good fifty percent of Louisiana students perform academically below the state average. I like it not just for what he said, but for the fact that PBS didn't see anything wrong with the statement, so included it in a list of things Louisiana's struggling with!
The list here is scary. The teacher in Colorado is so pitifully uninformed about basic understandings of economics that he was ill-served when he took his supposed undergraduate training in some field of social science. Some trial lawyer should let him sue the university he "studied" at if he can indeed remember. He should then sue the teacher credentialing commission in Colorado for malfeasance. Anything that would take this ill-informed ideologue out of the class room would be helpful to increasing the general IQ and capabilities of teachers.
This whole tragedy is due to the liberal/radical fraud of equality. Except between electrons, there is no such thing. The enforcement of it leads to dumbing down and to cooking the grade books. Guess what? It is not going to end. The vermin have won.
I don't know what states you people live in, but most of my friends where I finished high school (rural Ohio) went to various vocational schools for their last two years. The boy closest in age to me at church was making $40k a year working masonry projects the day I started my $5.15/hour job at Wendy's to help pay for college; I was the only person in our youth group who went to college straight out of high school. There was only one AP class at our local high school, and most people wanted to work as soon as they got out of the 12th grade (often sooner, especially for the boys.) One of the girls who was a little older than me was on the general non-college track: she had to take a half-year course in basic math in 12th grade, and had 8 study halls for her second semester (plus one class she actually had to go to.) There's no shortage of alternatives to college for these kids, and we're not talking about an environment where everyone's so worried about becoming the next Plato that they forget to learn how to add and subtract! Even now, in suburban Columbus, many of the kids I know are planning for vocational training before, or in place of, college; I just finished training a young man who graduated from this school:
http://www.tririvers.com/ And he was considerably sharper than the non-elite public school students I've met from Dayton, Cleveland, and Columbus. More urbanized areas like the northeastern seaboard have their fair share of options, as well: http://www.neasc.org/roster/rostertc.htm And those kids don't generally graduate without knowing some math; the only jobs I've ever applied for that had a math test were in warehouses, and the math for the warehouse workers (as opposed to admin/clerical) were right about at the Algebra II level required for high school graduation. (incidentally, I'm not convinced that this problem relates to a recent - i.e. post 1955 - decline in American public education; plenty of older adults are showing the exact same problems cited in the above post, and every day I talk to dozens of people born before 1950 who can't figure out concepts like "this is a loan you need to pay back" and "3654 minus 620 equals 3034." I'm sure if I asked any of them what freedoms were guaranteed in the Constitution, I'd hear everything but the right answers.)
In 1983 the National Commission on Excellence in Education published "A Nation At Risk." The money quote was: "If an unfriendly foreign power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war. As it stands, we have allowed this to happen to ourselves."
That was 23 years ago. Since then an entire generation of students has been born, grown, and graduated from college. An entire generation of teachers has graduated, had their entire career, and retired. Throughout that time we've been told that the education establisment is taking the problem seriously, and that in just a couple of years things will be better. In truth, there's been a slow and steady decline. Achievement scores are lower, drop out rates are higher. The kids are doing their part - drug use, juvenile crime and teen pregnancy are all down.
But, according to many education officials, the biggest threat of all to the educational welfare of our nation's children is . . . home schooling. Or is it vouchers? Or, in California, is it that the state education budget is paltry and shamefully inadequate--only about half the state budget.
It is no simple process to destroy education but in the past 25 years this Republic has achieved a Herculean task.
For example, in an area where I spend the summer, the new head of schools was brought in because, and I quote, the area needed "an African American Voice." Once there it was discovered that she was pregnant, not married, and spoke English as if it were an effort. Her leadership has been an unmitigated disaster, not because of her race or gender but because these were used to select her-throwing aside her credentials. Sad affair.
"That these stories could be told should be intolerable to every single American. Yet, they are just the tip of the iceberg."
Google has something called Alerts: http://www.google.com/alerts?hl=en I put in "teacher guilt" awhile back, and now every day I get a list of articles. Most of which are about teachers who have done some pretty rotten things. Most teachers are pretty good people. But the bad teachers are rarely punished, or delt appropriate punishement. You might want to include this in your list: http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/13/D8F41B9O3.html A teacher assigned 14 and 15 year old freshman to go do some research on internet porn.
Much ado about nothing.
Read the same sort of apocalyptic stuff back in the 1950s. And that kind of garbage ignores all the good work and good teaching that does in fact go on.
I believe that even though we could talk all day about what is wrong with education today, we should instead offer some suggestions in case someone reading is in a position to do some good. I would point out that the educational system at large suffers from the notion that it must be standardized and that all people are created equal. I do not believe that is true. I think all people are different, that they deserve an equal opportunity and that education should be tailored to individuals using some form of masscustomization which surely must be possible with all the new technology available. It should be a simple matter of setting up some basic profiles that can efectively describe each individual and have a predesigned educational program. I agree that vocational training is more suited to some people and that a nation must have a balanced proportion of educational backgrounds. If we were all doctors, who would fix our cars or repair our highways?
Kids are simply getting stupider and stupider there is no stopping it because the nation is to damn free. Kids can care less because they know they can apply for welfare later because they are too lazy to work. Kids have no work ethic. No work ethic = apocolypse!
This is really true. This is exactly what I try to tell people. Thank you for spreading the word.
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Poll Checker: 2012 Battleground States and Leaners
A new book from Tom Elia A compilation of actual presidential & aggregate US House votes for the nation & for the 'battleground states' from 2000-2010. When Lobsters Take Flight
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