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All I can say is that James Carroll is a BASTARD! I honor your grandfather as I honor one of my great uncles who spent his innocent youth fending off ferocious attacks on Guadalcanal.
War is hell. Our boys were only paying back a fraction of the hell that the Japanese dished out. Was it right? Who gives a rats ass. If the Japanese had won, they would have killed every living Marine they could get their hands on. Period. If you cannot see that, then you are blind and ignorant of history.
You're a hell of a lot more circumspect towards this POS than I am, dude.
Congratulations on your self-restraint.
Carroll is always in moonbat land. That column was among his worst, though. It got to me also.
http://squaringtheglobe.blogspot.com/2005/07/back-to-unreality.html
Wow.....What an idiot that James Carroll is.....There is such a thing as saying too much and he's definitely done it...
I remember OUR HEROES and always will... [http://crzydjm.blog-city.com/patriotism.htm]
What a vile, despicable, miserable little son of a bitch. Leftist media hacks are ethically, and intellectually bankrupt and their morals are in the gutter. It's inconceivable how these feckless and malevolent media morons hide behind the skirts of the 1st Amendment as a conduit for denigrating the very military that protects the rights they take for granted. The dedication and sacrifice of the United States Army throughout history, is far
beyond the likes of Carroll's capacity to understand. It’s embarrassing to think we’re sworn to protect barking moonbats who pervert the concept of patriotism into anti-American hate speech.
Very well said, Cheryl. Thank you for you service to our great Country
What a viscous, traitorous naive depraved little man he is..
I'd mention this nonsense to my dad, who served on an aircraft carrier in the Pacific from '44 to '46, except that he's 80 now and would probably have a stroke when his blood pressure peaked.
Mr. Carroll is such an ass.
Good God, people. What did you all think happened in war? Put together all you know about war, about humans, about PTSD and so many vets' refusal or inability to talk about their experiences, including in WWII. My dad enlisted at age 15 and spent the next 2 years desperately seasick. His stories never went into specifics or any detail. Like so many.
War isn't and wasn't the John Wayne/Ronald Reagan cartoon conservatives want to keep in memory. It also wasn't the depths of evil you think this Boston Globe fellow is portraying. (I know nothing about this guy, btw, never heard of him before this.) It was just humans at war which isn't a pretty picture any way you draw it. That's why war is bad, you see. Because all that really, really bad shit happens, has to happen by the very nature of things. WTF kind of halo surrounded water-color picnic did you all think it was? Wjoever said "War is hell" really, really meant it. BTW - if you all feel so very strongly about our military - walk the talk - vote for people who will fund the VA generously. Vote to pay them back.
Have we become so divided that we must see
"them" as only a cartoon vision? I think (and sure, I could be wrong) what he was trying to say is: Look, the Japanese STARTED the war against us, and we had to FINISH it, but we're f-ing BETTER than they are! In the name of God and Thomas Jefferson why the hell do we have to shoot surrendering prisoners just because they're "barbaric Japanese fascists"? Revenge? Bloodlust? Will OUR commiting genocide on our Enemy solve the problem? If we're supposed to be the Greatest Nation the world has ever known, we should be exalting our acts of heroism and NOT letting slide those who commit WAR CRIMES. Your grandfather at Okinawa sacrificed a lot for his country and no one would argue that. But if you came in here and told us he shot fleeing "Japs" in the back I'd tell you right to your face he was a coward and traitor to American Ideals (and please note I'm not accusing him of that). We're BETTER than that, or we should be, and someone pointing out that some in our military behaved less than honorably doesn't make them commie pinko moonbat traitors. Notice how Carroll is honoring "the leathernecks at Iwo". Good god, you're just twisting out of context sentences to bash a strawman librul. He's saying WE SHOULD BE BETTER THAN THEM. Honoring the military != They Can Do No Wrong
The point is not who is better or worse, the point is that war will cause actions that we all find abhorrent. It is inevitable.
I don't think I painted all of any "them" as cartoons. It seems apparent that there are lots and lots of folks who deal with the reality of war by sanitizing it, prettying it up. Making it in to a John Wayne movie. Too often those are the folks who (like the idolized Duke, I might add) will and would never put their own safety on the line by actually going and fighting a war but are only too ready to send others. They are the folks for whom supporting the troops amounts to a sticker on the gas guzzler but never, never a vote to pay taxes to support those troops in war or when they return.
Sorry, Jane, I wasn't responding to you, but the
original post by Paul Geary. I agree with most of what you said. I just wanted to point out that the original posting seems silly to me. Paul seems to me to want to bash Librul Carroll by deliberately misreading the gist of his article to score partisan political points (ie. "oh sure, Carroll SAYS he digs the Iwo Marines, but he doesn't REALLY mean it; after all, he's a Japanese coddling commie pinko librul"). I just don't think someone who says those Marines were heroic and their memorial is poignant is a dirty librul. Likewise, someone who points out we are a great nation founded on democratic and freedom loving principles and as such should abhor our own people behaving like our enemies is applying, in my mind, a healthy 'dissent' against My Country Right Or Wrong jingoism. I'm just weary of every Memorial Day, Independence Day and Veterans Day people seek to divide us as a nation by trumping up charges that those who don't display 'sufficient' reverence to all our military are somehow being anti-American. I'm a Yankee who's g-g-grandfather spent 18 months in Andersonville Prison during the Civil War. If there was evidence he shot surrendering or retreating Confederates after he got out of Andersonville, or raped Southern women upon rejoining Sherman's Army, I'd say he is a stain on my family name. I wouldn't say the damn Rebs deserved it for seceeding and treating him poorly at Andersonville. Guess around here that makes me a libbrul.
I find it amusing that you think you know my intentions when in fact you almost completely misunderstand both my piece and Carroll's.
The "gist" of Carroll's article -- actually stated plainly -- is that America has never been innocent, that when we've fought "good" wars, we did it dishonorably, and that we fight wars "for nothing." That is what I took issue with. How one could misconstrue Carroll's view as a criticism of a "my country right or wrong" attitude is beyond me. My views are in fact far from that, but also far from Carroll's "my country never." It's almost as amusing that you think I'm a "librul" basher. (By the way, writing "librul" to characterize the usage of people with whom you don't agree is tired and unimaginative.) In fact, I'm pretty liberal on many issues. But since I don't agree with a writer who says we're at war "for nothing," I must be a liberal-baiter. That's either an astounding presumption on your part, or you've read an imaginary article that I have not written. It probably explains your weariness on Memorial Day of those who you think impose "sufficient reverence" on you. Certainly those people are out there, but in this case you're seeing that where it doesn't exist.
The "gist" of Carroll's diatribe (and others of his ilk") is the typical "war has never solved any anything" (except, actually, for ending fascism,preventing Europe and at least half of Korea from becomeing a Communist gulag, ending slavery and the Holocaust), and the old "librul" standby: America is as guilty as the enemies we fight. I got the gist of your article right off the bat and I agree with it's critical content.
Thanks for you HONORABLE service! It's unfortunate that I have to emphasize that, and unfortunate that you have to explain to people what we're up against.
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